Recent workout: The plan was 20min efforts at 230w.. My ftp from lab test is 230w at 171bpm. Ive just taken to making the initial adjust barely touch the wheel before turning the big knob to tighten it in place. Trainer was not transmitting power to my Fenix 6, nor to Zwift, nor Elite App. Again, thats the reality of a wheel-on trainer warming up (and has been for decades). I just ordered one. That one is $750 on amazon. Below are the most popular. regards. And as for sound? Then, on the back of the trainer, youll adjust the upper knob (thats basically inside the lever) to just barely touch the tire. Because of this huge difference it cannot be explained by any spindown calibration error. Bluetooth Smart Speed/Cadence Profile: This broadcasts your speed and cadence as a standard BLE combo Speed/Cadence sensor Even after calibrating it with zwift, elite app and my garmin edge 830. Note: Not compatible with 2021 Apple TV Edition. So, I redid it and again into a cycle of errors, turneditonandoffagain, reboot app etc etc. Hi there, I was thinking of a direct drive trainer but will it be much better? Stick your bike in the frame, and then adjust the metal prongs so that theyre closer to the skewer. Sure, they're not as powerful as a Wahoo Headwind, but I could literally buy 20 of them for the same price. If that doesnt work, Id recommend trying every possible combination of turning Wifi on/off, Mobile Data on/off, Bluetooth on/off (if your phone supports ANT+ pairing), and see if it works. I had an Elite Tuo and it broke after 1 months use. But with the Tuo, theres virtually no difference. Received my Tuo toaster today and well It feels good quality but the packaging was sub-par. Instead, youre gonna spent 15 minutes attempting to decipher the instructions, then another 15 minutes installing it the wrong way. At first I managed to get my bike in OK, but after like 30 mins when I tried calibrating it, I couldnt get the roller close enough. Which trainer would you choose, the Tacx or the Elite Tuo? Anyone else has the same problem? From your buying guide it seems that your suggested wheel on trainer would be the Kickr Snap if youre spending $499. Once youve done that, youll finish attaching the bracket and Tuo slowly with a small pile of screws. On my Tuo, I made sure I had the latest firmware update by using the Upgrado app. So i.e. The second mode the trainer has is ERG mode. One of the most popular trainer fans out there, rivaling the Wahoo Headwind fan in strength but at a fraction of the price. Thanks for your perspective. This is compared to a Quarq DZero power meter, PowerTap G3 hub power meter, and a pair of SRM X power meter pedals. Different experience straightaway, resistance changes were appropriate, really enjoying using it. Ive attached screenshots below, but essentially it will ask you to start pedaling, and show you your current speed. Sean I tried a 1st gen Drivo when they first came out. I just got one of these as a backup for my Neo (which is ill at the moment). That said, I did actually do two rides with it enabled early on. A few seconds second-guessing yourself, and then realizing you did it wrong. A 10% grade feels like a 5% grade. Ill check out the videos before saddling up today. Calibration is easy with the app. In the box there are spacers, and the video from elite says you should remove and set up the thicker spacers but is this only in the case where your wheels are >28 or so you have to do it anyways ? As well as a bit of a discussion on vibrations, which can be pretty meaningful here. Most of the time. Hello! To install your bike youll open the side mounting handle, as well as flip the rear switch to the left, which moves the Tuo backwards away from the trainer frame. Out of the box, my legs were not perfectly straight. When attaching the toaster to the legs of the trainer, you have to make sure that the little silver circle on the legs slots into one of the slots on the mounting plate for the trainer. I also dont have a cadence sensor so this could be a benefit over the Snap. To figure out which one you need, it asks you if youre using 28 tires or not. the wheel.is rather tied against the roller. Or maybe not as good but hey its half the weight. cobblestones), Support rolldown procedure (for wheel based), Supports ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Bluetooth Smart FTMS (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Multiple Concurrent Bluetooth connections. Cadence Transmission: Yes In this mode, its just like outdoors in that you can change your gearing to make it easier or harder. Ive never had a Kickr Snap but I now have a Kickr V5 and the build quality and reliability is second to none. Stryd was not paired to F6 or my phone/PC, so I have not considered it previously. Watch this video which explains how the Elite Calibration process works. I submitted a support ticket but wondering in the meantime if anyone else was as clumsy as me? 1. The resistance changed appropriately and everything (apart from my level of fitness) felt OK.butthere was always going to be one wasnt there.after creating a small slope the resistance went *up* for a bit after the incline went negative. Would we need to calibrate every time we switch? Power Transmission: Both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart open power signals After thats done, then close the lever to the right, so itll press on the tire nice and tight. Installed the bits, configured and did a warm up of 10-20 minutes pre-calibration. So, can you comment just a smidgen more about the wheel attachment flipper lever strength / difficulty? He has a powermeter installed. Wattage is not hard-set, only incline levels. I just use random cheap blocks 95% of the time. And the response to gradient changes in Titans Grove wasnt as good as before. I still havent gotten it to calibrate on myEtraining and I dont know if that will make ay difference. You cant calibrate the Tuo with Zwift well, I cant either as theres no wrench. So this or a low end direct drive trainer? After which youll undo everything, re-do it again, and then realize you actually did have it right the first time. Often times within 1%. And if you simply follow my four steps above, youll be up and running in no time. First off, well ignore the first 5-10 minutes, since as a wheel-on trainer it needs to warm-up to stabilize back to the same temperature range I calibrated it at. But wait, are you a female and feel like these things might not apply to you? The adjustment knob thread is a lot finer than the old Novo/Quobo and takes a lot of turning for when the wife wants to put her 26 mtb on it. And while using it over the past month, I routinely forgot that I was actually riding a trainer that didnt cost more than $1,000. I do have an additional cadence sensor but didnt select anything so just click OK. I think its definitely one of the best. I've got three of these $12 fans floating around the DCR Cave, and I frequently use them on rides. If we look at both the speed and cadence graphs, you can see cadence on all the units burps coming off the second surge, but the speed isnt abnormal on the Tuo. 2) Once youve got that done, ensure you rotate the lower knob all the way nice and tight, else, youll get inaccurate results. For ERG mode Im using the small chainring as recommended (and mid-way up the cassette), so that lowers the flywheel speed, and typically makes it easier for trainers to respond. Theres two ways to look at this. If you go too fast (like 1-second), its like hitting a brick wall and kinda sucks. For this price point and for a wheel-on smart trainer, I generally expect poor road feel and lackluster accuracy. The Tuo feels a lot better and does accelerate if you pedal hard enough. Since posting this have you had any luck getting erg mode to work? So I enabled power matching. Especially when steeps are simulated the output is basically off by 250 watts. When I was in the greater-than 28 installation I was the same for me, it worked but but there was hardly any clamping force on the second knob. Upgrading the firmware on Upgrado was simple, but when I tried to perform the Trainer Calibration within the app, it continuosly failed. Hey, thanks for the reply! The most common question I receive outside of the whats the best GPS watch for me variant, are photography-esq based. Or, if both bikes used the same tires/tubes (and were the same wheel size), then you could also get away with it by matching tire pressure. Anyway, the Neo is all boxed up and ready to return! What would be interesting (well, to me anyway) is how accurate your power readings are after going through the configuration steps. Seriously, I dont. I appreciate the response. Good. Anything up to 700c/28 doesnt need any other adjustment than engaging the roller. Seems the same for me and Ive had no problems. I have the impression that the calibration only considers the flat parts and calculates completely wrong when Im ascending. But on zwift I just force myself to peddle smoothly and within a few seconds the trainer adjusts and reaches the right power, rather than trying to chase the power. If they are reading high, then that just lets your avatar go up the hills faster . I know the Tuo only goes up to 10% incline simulation but we werent at its limit. Might be worth keeping it as it is and try some climbs and see if you think its slipping. At this point in the workout, it was starting to have an impact on my stability. Kevin, I think thats the price of accuracy! Well, lets start in ERG mode, and then work our way out of that. Will give it another go tomorrow. Theres also a rubber stopper or two to attach as well. Are you willing to review or test beta products? Super easy. The calibration would just be some good peace of mind if I could get it to work properly. Which one makes less noise? I did exactly as u told, updated the firmware, tried it with both Android and iOs. Around then though, The Girl decided she wanted a toaster capable of toasting a bagel. But anyway wheel on trainers do still have a place for all those folks who dont have only the Standard 700c 11 speed bikesmall wheels, older bikes and so on. Iain I had the calibration failed message a few times even when getting to the speed. There always seems to be lag or overshooting or something. The less expensive DD I could find was still over $200 more than this one. Yesterday it was 26444. Now I can feel the resistance changing appropriately for the workout and the power graph generally follows the workout pattern, but the graph is still wobbling ERG mode isnt catching the wheel and holding the power steady. Unfortunately, repeated steps resulted in failed calibration for my unit! The first is their Elite My E-Training app, from which you can do calibrations: As with most trainers, they recommend you warm-up first: And then theres the Elite Upgrado app which actually launched in the fall of 2019 for updating Elite trainers (finally!). Compatibility: Quick Release for road/mountain bikes (130/135 x 5mm), and thru-axle for 142x12mm included (with Boost 148x12mm accessory adapter available) This is all in addition to the trainer itself. So no, its not bigger than 28. The actual apps dont typically much matter, but rather the use cases are different. Its really frustratring, since I really dig the Tuo. At 260 watts, that was already 13 minutes into the ramp test, but it either still hadnt warmed up properly or it was just failing to change resistance. Just looking into how to reset it to the default settings it came with. Was the speed value on your zwift calibration correct? None of it is hard if you can put batteries in a childrens toy, you can assemble the Tuo. Now I have a very good feeling of what seems legit and what watt numbers are off. Now every time I go past 33.9 km/h it calibrates. Get all your awesome DC Rainmaker gear here! However, after a few other industry folks I know that also jumped on it for a few seconds confirmed my thoughts, I was then eager to try it out in real-life with my own bike (and side by side to others). It eventually says Well done the application has been set up successfully!. Want to compare the features of each product, down to the nitty-gritty? I had to accelerate to 55 kph in order to complete the process. So wheel-off trainers have put me off for her due to the need to do skewer stuff. Over 100% more power from TUO than power meter on high power efforts. Smart Trainers Buyers Guide: Looking at a smart trainer this winter? My Tuo is great! i even use the power meter on my crank and it is not smooth, my old tacx flow smart may not have not been accurate, and sounded like a jet engine, but at least it would output a smooth graph in ERG mode, its a shame as the Tuo has a great road feel and is much more quiet. It appears to be a common issue for a lot of people out there. Well, I could have ride hours tonight, instead of that, I just sat on the floor frustrated . Its better everywhere on Zwift and really good on Titans Grove! Seems very solid to me, hasnt moved at all even when sprinting. Thank you so much for addressing my issue, its a relief to see I was not the only one, and, most importantly, that you managed to solve it eventually. Needless to say that makes the trainer obsolete, because its no fun when your ascending and your pushing out real 250 watts but the trainer says 550. In actuality, what we call a 700C setup is a 622 millimeter wheel diameter. So if you are on 5214 on Zwift for instance and want to start spinning again you have to put a lot more work than on trainer with the flywheel. Either click Skip or select whatever you have and click Finish. And technically, there are two apps here. Ant+? Some issues with the calibration process is something I can overlook they got solved eventually. Ive seen that there are numerous people having the same problem. And I suspect that if I were to toy with gearing (which in turn impacts speed), Id find a setting that works well for low wattagebut then inversely breaks high wattage. Nope. Looks like a sliced bread cooking machine: Yes I then used the Elite myETraining app to calibrate it:- Compared to my old tacx vortex, it definitely seems more fiddly. I am going to try it side by side with my Tuo and see what the difference is. Looking forward to a winter of training so hitting the tarmac in the new year isnt quite so painful. To be honest, it feels that good and responds that well I dont want to try to fix something that isnt broke . This desk is both a knock-off of the original KICKR Desk, but yet also better than it. Now these are easily available at 325-350 , would you recommend to pick one to use with a 29 MTB? For $8, this solves that problem. Elite Turno Smart. Oh, if you havent pumped up your tire yet, then undo the latch we just closed on the rear of the trainer, and pump up your tire to 110PSI/7.5bar the specifics matter here.