Required fields are marked.If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web. No cost to you, easy as pie! I know this is hard information to gather, but does anyone know about issues with the. Is there anything I could have done wrong? To update: Today, I called Wahoo customer support and had a chance to speak with some of their team leaders. I cant figure out if the problem is on the CORE or the EDGE. Wahoo KICKR CORE: $899 direct drive trainer with medium flywheel, no cassette included Theres an incompatibility with newer Canyon Ultimate frames. The review above is pretty spot on about its capabilities. My core is quiet as a mouse tiptoeing. Now whether this sprint overage is a big deal probably depends on a lot of factors. There are *many* variations of cassette removal tools, this is the best bang for your buck. What do you recommend as a inexpensive cassette to put on the core. Hi Dave, Im using a 2014 Ultimate SL. Wahoo refusing to replace the Kickr Core that was defective right out of the box. A good quality power brick from a third party should be fine. Hi there, Ive been using my Core for 3 weeks now, after 12000 kms on a Drivo gen I. Workaround I have found is to use the EDGE menu to send a new resistance value. As I noted, I cant hold 800w steady for that long, but I can hold about 700w. If so, do you know when its due to have a 2020 model? Ive never heard any complaints about simulating grade on the CORE. Alternatively, for everything else on the planet, simply buy your goods from Amazon via the link below and I get a tiny bit back as an Amazon Associate. Heres the levels being sent by TrainerRoad (in this case via ANT+ FE-C on Windows) and how quickly the KICKR CORE responded to it: In general this is pretty good. Do you have any comparison data to share by chance (side by side with Vector)? Whereas for Shane hes a bit more of a powerful cyclist and can get upwards of 1,200+ watts, so the gap is slightly more for him. Is this still for the coming winter period or is that for next year 21 Eurobike or so? Use at temperatures below 15C can result in degraded power accuracy.. In the UK/EU/Australia/New Zealand? Next, heres a look at the competitors in this price point. How are you getting on with the Elite Direto? I honestly doubt, but I am out of any other ideas! Then hit up Wiggle at the link below! Maybe a picture to share the interface area supposed, or measure necessary ? And as always, feel free to post comments or questions in the comments section below, Ill be happy to try and answer them as quickly as possible. You can hear it here in this video Ive shot: This change in volume comes from a change to the belt itself, going to a v-shaped belt. Once the product has been received we will refund you promptly. I never asked for a refund, only to get a replacement asap. ? Anyone else had this issue and solved? ? click the logo 10 times until firmware appearsthen click firmware and select old one >update. As Ludo and Cypher mentioned also, I had expectation/hope that those unity get a kind of QA before they leave out to customers, especially as issues were known/confirmed by Wahoo and units have been in use already. As you probably know, apps like Zwift, TrainerRoad, SufferFest, Rouvy, Kinomap and many more all support most of these industry standards, making it easy to use whatever app youd like. Probably you have to correct your rear derailleur a little. Im wondering how the Kickr core compares to Elite suito or Elite qubo fluid? Yes, i put the spacer on the hub that came in the box. After confirming through multiple apps, I contacted Wahoo Support. Honestly, you wont notice. They offer me a brand new unit. If you're shopping for the Wahoo Fitness KICKR CORE or any other accessory items, please consider using the affiliate links below! I have been using the 1030 loaded with workouts to control the CORE. cobblestones), Support rolldown procedure (for wheel based), Supports ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Bluetooth Smart FTMS (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Multiple Concurrent Bluetooth connections, +/- 2% (Sept 2018 models, +/- 2.5% for earlier models). Is my current cassette too old or something? Cheaper is better apparently. Do you know when there is an updated model due for release. Words: Jonas Mssig Photos: Benjamin Topf, Jonas Mssig. Assuming I made the best choice coming from a Snap. I have Campa on all my bikes, BUT I installed a Shimano 105 cassette on the Core. You probably stumbled upon here looking for a review of a sports gadget. Just curious if its normal to have new Kickr Cores from CT dropshipped via the SLC? Very disappointing. I had an Elite Fluid trainer B+. Considering that I already have the power meter on the crancks, is there a cheaper solution than the kickr core with the same functionalities but no power measured? However, there are simple things that can be done to help each other and I dont get a sense they are doing it, at least with me. You'll support the site, and get ad-free DCR! That reestablish the connection. Donezo. The way I use the trainer is that I choose the gear with the best chain line and then leave it there. I dig into the nuances of these both within the power accuracy section. Unfortunately, most companies have slowed manufacturing unfortunately. At first connection I updated firmware as promped by Wahoo app and did the required spindown afterwards. . My Photography Gear: The Cameras and Equipment I Use Daily, DC Rainmaker 2021 swim, bike, run, and general gear list, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated May 21st, 2022 @ 4:42 am, Wired or Wireless data transmission/control, Can electronically control resistance (i.e. It is not up to the company to decide for me and let me know that they have changed their mind about the exchange. Does anyone else have a similar experience? No power, cadence, or speed. Hmm, its a little hard to tell exactly, as I can only presume based on the video phone stability that someone is also trying to wrestle you. So by how much will power accuracy degrade is there a relationship between temperature and power such that I could take a view on when to stop using it outdoors? . I appreciate your response. I cannot come even close to riding with them on Zwift since I switched trainers (they are on multiple trainers but some on Core same as me) I failed to achieve that, so I ended up around 700w. Hey! Perhaps the wahoo app on an iphone will finally read cadence from the trainer reliably. Thats just how my story went and where we are now. that they no longer want me to have a Kickr Core and that therefore he has changed my Kickr Core replacement case into a return for refund. The Kickr is worlds apart from the Elite Fluid I had, the ride feel is actually realistic, super smooth, and just really easy to use. Or is there something wrong with the Kickr Core? Just my two cents. O.O, PS. At least the Kagura is relatively predictable when connected to my Garmin Edge and I ramp up the resistance. Wahoo is replacing my Core under warranty as well. Hello. Dont buy a Kickr Core. That is poor service. Yes it got harder, but the difference was much smaller to notice compared to the Tacx Flow Smart wheel-on trainer. But you asked for a solution, its not perfect but I may have one. Spindowns are about 14 seconds and 70f in wahoo app) The key words there are good quality. Just look from behind if the chain is straight on the cog or not if not: Spin your bike with a hand on a smallest cog (seting the trainer to lowest load helps) and make a turn of the ring towards the less noise. Very similar, but not exactly the same. I'm one of the ones that do. Are you with us? When the noise stops, just change gear to next one and continue (you can search for gear indexing on yt). Not sure what difference this will make though? From an overall ease of use and durability standpoint, its just like any other Wahoo product: It just works, and works well. It seems its a lucky dip whether youll get one that reads accurately. Your email address will not be published. Even more, if you use Backcountry.com or Competitive Cyclist with coupon code DCRAINMAKER, first time users save 15% on applicable products! * I received my refurbished Core and setup was easy, everything in the box. At the moment Ive narrowed it down to Wahoo because I want the compatibility with the Kickr Climb. Hi Ludo, Specifically the stickers flying off, in some cases the unit not being silent, and related noise-type things. Put it on the Kickr Core. They say that it does simulate up to 10%, but I feel that after reaching 7-8 %, I max out, and I just go steady from there. Feel like swapping up just add a little bit of money to get to next level? Then, I come here and write about my adventures. After a or 45 min, I asked my son to spin the pedal on the bike which was on the Direto X. Im hoping its compatible with my bike! Thanks for your input. Kickr Core is basically at the top of my list but I dont want to buy one if there is a new version of it just around the corner. This *could* have, but luckily did not, lead to rider injury, or sever damage to the bicycle frame, or components. I am looking at the Kickr Core. Wahoo gets to the core of the matter. Nope, I got the right one. Compatibility: 130/135 QR, 12142 & 12148 Thru-Axle if it is your goal to get the same values on your Kickr and on the Stages power meter I have to disappoint you. I am a relatively heavy guy (89 kg) and usually will output around 400 watts for 5 minutes, close to 300 watts for an hour (on good days). Gone is the sound of the whining belt, and its replaced withwellnothing. Wahoo is great and sends me a replacement, but its annoying that Im about to be on my third unit. If you want to level the things up with your higher Core data, you can change the scale factor on the PM (at least on 4iiii we can). Once you manage to get the inside of the box detached from the outer shell, youll find the trainer sitting there. My bike is on a KICKR Snap and has a 11-32t cassette installed (Ultegra long cage). Do the 200 price difference between KICKR CORE and TACX Flux S worth it and why? Its super subtle, but is notable. Its still performance-oriented but cant quite keep up with the maximum simulated powers and gradients of the best smart trainers on the market. However, on the second half of that, the KICKR CORE overshoots a fair bit about 80w or so for one second, and then backs down to just barely 40w or so overages. Instead, what matters is actually a harder metric to make clear which is the ability to simulate high grades and lower speeds (especially if youre a heavier cyclist). So the unit does a nice job of responding to my attempt to hold that wattage. I have a 2012 Cervelo R5 VWD with SRAM Red/Black components. Now only the light whirring noise needs to get resolved. Its not realistic. Its worse than passive resistance (and the passive mode doesnt really work either, you can only use it unplugged and limit yourself to maybe 130 watts of resistance in your highest gear at about 100 RPM). Whenever I put my MTB on the trainer I need to tweak the cable tension, its not too much. You would have to check if Stages have this option. Also, I did some brief testing with a pair of Favero Assioma pedals too but I didnt collect a meaningful amount of data on that configuration. I group ride on gravel with some expert/pro level guys that I can hang with and take my share of pulls. All of which is anecdotal of course but seems to point to at the very least a notable proportion of disappointed customers, and at worse a systemic issue. I suspect this is impacting between 3-8% of people, based on the unit volumes being shipped. Ran through the procedure for a factory spindown. I dont want to comment that i should repair 4 months old not working properly product by myself ;/ Quick question that you get asked a lot but wanted to make sure things havent changed much. However, this exposed position is necessary in order to achieve the compact dimensions that make the trainer compatible with almost all current road and mountain bikes. I can get a refund but they do not want me to have a Kickr Core. Given that almost all KICKR CORE woes have come from bad power bricks, I wouldnt chance it. slight move on the legs/no calibration anymore. Think my written reviews are deep? Ill summon the DHL man and hell hate me for the massive pile of heavy stuff. This is a shame as one of the swing factors for me in choosing a wahoo kickr core was the functionality when using the free manufacturers app, for summer months when I will probably have cancelled zwift. First off THANKS for posting the holiday sale announcements. It's got multi-tier tablet slots, water bottle holders, non-stick surface, adjustable height and more. Not sure you have tested this one, but any idea which would be more quiet? I asked them about instruction video but no response so far ;/ Any ideas? It sounds like Wahoo is going through some growing pains with the new manufacturing facilities for both the KICKR and KICKR CORE. In the end its your choice and this is just my experience but I would think considering the internals of the core and kickr and even the new models are all the same I would be very wary purchasing from Wahoo. A bit of a domino effect unfortunately. Hopefully just a fluke, but just FYI for those like myself who were under the impression Wahoo finally got their QA together after 2 years. This is the answer i got from stages support. Plus there are smart trainers here, all in these guides cover almost every category of sports gadgets out there. And to compliment that, heresThe Girls (my wifes) list. This would be in addition to the date listed on the site at time of order. Oliver. We went through a process to re-establish the units connection with first my phone, and then my AppleTV. Get all your awesome DC Rainmaker gear here! It could also be that it needs some rear-derailleur adjustment. So far the CORE has been extremely good, I had been training for 9 months, around 5 times per week. So in efforts to combat the amount of emails I need to sort through on a daily basis, Ive complied this My Photography Gear post for your curious minds! As usual, I put the trainer up against a number of power meters to see how well it handled everything from resistance control accuracy, to speed of change, to any other weird quirks along the way. Id recommend plugging it into a surge protector though if you live in an area that has power issues. * I received replacement unit two days later. For me impossible . I checked firmware version to see if its latest and was surprised that version number was much higher than what is listed on Wahoo support site. My chain makes more noise than the core. First, it's got wheel locks (so the darn thing stays put), and second, it has two water bottle holders (also useful for putting other things like remotes). Handle: This unit lacks a handle compared to newer KICKR units, still, its not too bad to move around as I found out for taking photos Are they still in business? Some other users on the trainerroad forum have even commented that theirs seemed to do the same but it lessened over time (perhaps a tight belt that takes some time to wear in?). Sorry to read about your problems. 4. The Wahoo KICKR CORE follows the industry norms as youd expect from most trainers these days. The 2022 Trek Checkpoint SLR 7 in review More than just a thoroughbred gravel Highway to heaven, or hell First ride review of the 2023 Pinarello GREVIL F! Eventually youll give up on the manual and simply look at the front of the box and try and match the two together. My Kickr Core developed the issue 1y9m into owning it. As for phone support, that will be resuming next week, but wasnt possible recently due to various restrictions. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. 2020 Core S/N 40201801240 My current unit no warranty added working smooth and perfect but for how long? If theres super limited number of agents that can come to work, thats the limit. I have no problem on the stability, even though you feel that it is easier to lean more to one side that the other due to the weight of the free-wheel. Do ensure that you set the wheel size on the combination using the Wahoo App, that way it knows how much it can descend properly. Theres two ways to look at this. The snap is cheaper also. Well, as soon as I connect it, I see that no led lights up. Is anyone using the original Wahoo App? I believe you should be receiving roughly weekly updates via e-mail, did you check your spam/etc folders? You set your gear indexing with it. Just the way it is. Unbelievable. As Wahoo wouldnt guarantee accuracy below 15 degrees, I bought an Elite Direto because Elite wrote and confirmed that it would work at 5 degrees. This is all very new to me and I have found your channel a godsend. From what Ive read, the new HDr by SRAM uses a 1.8mm wider freehub so your best bet is to contact Wahoo with this question. There are pictures on WW forum, you can do a google search. 11-32t cassette)? There does not appear to be an on/off switch.