And going in that direction would probably require swapping your rear derailleur for a new one. The most common cause is shifting under load. . In my experience, going one size more, or fewer speeds compared to the chains width (number of speeds) doesnt cause any problems. So it makes perfect sense for a manufacturer to give rather conservative advice. Your comment struck a cord some 2 weeks ago I had to resort to this (zig-zag) technique for a significant part of a rather steep and long climb. Sometimes it helps pinpoint where the chain skips and how exactly. The 17t and larger cogs were fine with the chain. non-Hyperlide+) chain. As of now, these chains work exclusively with SRAM AXS eTap 12-speed Rival, Force, & Red groups. Can I use 11speed Pin to fix 12speed chain ? . However, 6 to 8-speed chains can fit some single speed bicycles depending on the chainring width. If I get the same answer, Ill probably go with the Sugino 10 sp. Id rather try with a 12-speed quick link (Amazon affiliate link). There are also cranks that have 46-30 T combo. Any road cranks, including 10, and 11 speed 50-34 ones (probably even better 46-30 to offer lower gearing) should work. The quality is quite good (durable, reliable), but I dont suppose they are super light. Is it really worth it as mine doesnt have any rust? A detailed overview of dimension standards is in the post: Bicycle drive chain standard dimensions.Post giving full view and explanation of bicycle chain construction (parts): Bicycle chain wear (elongation). How to connect and disconnect chains, with or without using quick links, video demonstration: Single-speed chains are the widest of all. From one to 12 speeds.Before you start, to avoid any misunderstanding:please take the 5 minutes needed to read the compatibility articles use instructions. Thanks. Briefly put: thanks. Front chainrings are less sensitive to the thickness of the chain used. Could it be said that those problems are Campagnolo specific? Do you know if that is true and if so do you have any recommendations? A Campagnolo chain with 5.5mm is much easier to assemble and adjust on a Campagnolo cassette. Ever since I bought this bike, it has been a quixotic fight every time I wanted to fix it or change a component, its been a huge headache each time. So it might be a good match. You can also subscribe without commenting. Living in an impoverished country that Serbia is, Ill probably get to work with 12 speed stuff in a year, or two, as it comes in second hand from Germany. Since 10 and 11-speed chains (as well as cassette teeth) have almost the same widths, a 10-speed chain can be used instead of an 11 speed-one, without it jamming between the sprockets. BTW, I recently heard a suggestion to consider shortening the crank arms as a way to help keep cadence up hills. See SRAM'sPrivacy Policyfor a detailed explanation of how your personal data is used. Even the modern, high-speed chains with thinner plates. So I would be surprised if it worked decently. Join Our FreeVIP Club to ReceiveAdditional Discounts, Earn Credit RebatesToward your Next Order. I have an 8-speed 232-link chain still new-in-bag from y2006. Going further narrower, like a 10, or 11-speed chain on an 8-speed cassette can and often does work. The SRAM Eagle 12-speed chains are cross compatible with one another the only variance between them is weight and material. Im assuming you can use a 12 speed chain on any gear scenario. Ive seen a few 7 speed freewheels that have a 28 tooth cog, but they were quite inexpensive and I thought they may be heavy and/or lower quality items. The bike was running fine with the Raceface n/w chainring + 11-speed Shimano cassette + some 11-speed chain. Please empty this comment field to prove you're human. Because, I would like to install a BMX crank to my DH bike. The 8-speed chains we carry are 7.1mm wide, allowing the correct fit for all systems of 6, 7, and 8-speed bicycles. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. Going with a triple (50-39-30, or a MTB one like 44-34-24) would require replacing the front derailleur. Id measure the spacing on the current setup, then try to get that spacing with the new chainrings. Im hoping to replace the timing chain on our 1992 Santana tandem. I often get pleasantly surprised by the amount of experience and expertise of the bikeforums.net members. It felt as if I had upgraded yesterday, yet today I had to test it with version 8.0, that will be obsolete itself in 2023 (not a very distant future). Why it gets stuck? Chains for 6-, 7-, or 8-speed cassettes are generally universally compatible across brands and speeds. Would expect them to work fine. Would SRAM 10 Ring Chainrings work with the new SHIMANO 105 11-speed groupset? Theyre cheap, so Ill get both any thought on which spacers to try first? Comment for robots 1) Can i use a chain like the SRAM 870 which is 7.1mm with my bike or would that cause issues? It is the Lord Christ you are serving. Colossians 3:17, 3:23-24. However, if by jumping gears you mean gear changes without shifting, thats a different matter, and you can disregard this first suggestion. Also, I fail to see the point in buying a more expensive multi speed chain for a single speed drivetrain. . Anyway, I found a couple of other aftermarket chainrings that are 9sp, so Ill look into those. Orders over $50are shipped free (USA only, excluding AK and HI). Shimano, SRAM and Campagnolo all use the same chain with 8 speeds. Try us today to see why so many of our customers come back again and again. These two demands (firmer grip, with the chain having more angle in many gearing combinations) are somewhat conflicting. Problems generally occur at the rear on cassettes. Thanks happy holidays to you to. Instead of trying to figure it out, get it fixed and rolling. I thought I had it all figured out- just get a compatible chain for a 6,7, or 8 speed and Im good to go, but then saw a comment in a 6-speed KMC chain advertisement where the poster said the chain wouldnt work oh his/her 5-speed. 11-speed drivetrains require 11-speed chains. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him. My setup is a Frankensteins Monster with Microshift Derailleurs, Miche Cassette, Sugino Cranket, and Campy 11 speed Shifters (old version) that somehow work together as a Shimano 9 speed. Ive had good results even with running a 10-speed chain on a 7-speed cassette and cranks.However, especially with older 6-speed cassettes combined with 11, or 12-speed chains, there is a risk of the chain getting stuck between the cassette sprocket teeth and/or poorer shifting. Shorter cranks generally do make higher cadences a bit easier. Let's review the basics of chain compatibility to set you up for success for your next chain There are two things to consider here (stating them just to be on the safe side, so theres no misunderstanding, I believe youve checked the first one already): 1) Chainring mounting standard The chain width is 5.88mm. Not 100% sure (would have to check) if the rear spacing on my bike is 126, or 130, but I know that I had to remove some spacers from the hub replacing them with a bit narrower ones (because I didnt want to torture the frame, even though its a steel one it rides too wonderfully to be touched ). I have a Kmc X10 sl dlc 10 speed black/green chain (Was bloody expensive) looking to fit it to my 9 speed bike Im aware the sizings between 9 and 10 are a tiny bit different but will it work? I could imagine that it works with a Connec-Wippermann chain (5.6mm) in quarter turns . A 7.1 mm wide 8-speed chain will fit all the other systems (5, 6 and 7-speed ones). Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. They have a roller width of 1/8 (3.175 mm). Have you ever heard of doing this? Provided a chainring fits, theres a concern about the teeth profile, ramps, and the chainring width. This happens wherever I look. What exactly needs to be upgraded? 11-speed chains of all the manufacturers are mutually compatible. I need to update most of the articles with the latest stuff that came out. Next, I found out the 0.4mm spacer listing was on an archived version the old Brandford Bike website; for some reason, a fan ripped the old site and hosted it, catalog and all! Doing the vice versa is something Id generally advise against since a fewer-speed chain is wider on the outside, compared to a chain for more speeds. Chain type is determined by the brand of your components (front derailleurs, rear derailleurs, and cassette) and Relatively short chainstays of modern bicycle frames (modern as of the year 2000+) certainly dont help with chain angles. Trying to do this cheaply, as if she doesnt take to riding like I have, no big loss- but also if she does take to it, I may have to get her a newer bike with a triple chain ring setup to climb some of the 5% grades in the area. Cassette wear is often not visible (unless its really severe, way, way past the new-chain-skipping point). Was originally running a 1 x 12 speed, now I am running 1 x 10 speed set up on an mtb. Just as it makes sense for us to try different things and share our experiences. Based on the technical info AXS is not a standard chain, like 12 speed SRAM Eagle chain is. I bet Sugino has a warehouse full of unsold 9sp rings. i spend endless hours just looking for the right fitting tools and the bicycle parts are abit easier to find,getting the right tools for the job makes things easy,not alot of ranting and raving then,super B makes some nice tools but some tools are abit oversized but most are reasonable quality and they still make tools for the older steel bikes,i like the super B cone spanners and bottom bracket tools, another great tool i just got is the super B,2 in 1 tyre bead jack tool,this one comes with one tyre lever and the tyre bead jack for very tight fitting tyres,this one is a smaller version of the larger workshop tyre bead jack and it fits in your pocket,very good tool.similar to the one var tools make,love your new website layout Relja, i just took out a whole bunch of retro style bottom bracket cups and those 3 notch and 4 notch lockrings,the fixed cups were supposed to be 36mm wrench flats,the only brand that came close to 36mm was the shimano fixed cup,some others were 35.8mm,the lockrings for the other side were even all different sizes,then i measured two different tools to remove those 36mm bottom bracket fixed cups,both tools were 36.5 mm and these tools were sold as being precise fitting 36mm tools,way to big to be any use,then you look at most bicycle cone spanners even those tools are a loose fit,tools only need to be .1 mm bigger then the part but alot of bike tools are way oversized,i have had to make a few tools and look for other trade tools that will do the job as i am fed up with throwing brand new bicycle tools in the recycle bin because they are poorly fitting, Chain width for Campy Ekar 13 speed chain= 4.9mm.